Comments on: Hearing Voices Groups Provide Meaning Through Peer Support https://www.madinamerica.com/2024/06/hearing-voices-groups-provide-meaning-through-peer-support/ Science, Psychiatry & Social Justice Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:42:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.3 By: Someone Else https://www.madinamerica.com/2024/06/hearing-voices-groups-provide-meaning-through-peer-support/#comment-283156 Thu, 13 Jun 2024 11:42:03 +0000 https://www.madinamerica.com/?p=257116#comment-283156 I’ve never gone to a HVM meeting, but have thought about it, since I still believe in God. And He does still move me, and give me a yes shake of my head, when I’m right.

“An opportunity to examine voice hearing in itself,” because having your entire life declared “a credible fictional story,” by a deluded psychiatrist, is a bad place to be.

“Discerning meaning and understanding voices in context” is important, including for those who believe in an intelligent designer of the universe, and God.

“Validating cultural significance,” is also important, especially now that we all live in an American society – with “mental health professions” – that now drug Americans up for queries about, and belief in, the Holy Spirit and God.

I agree, “Establishing camaraderie,” is important … and it’s terribly sad that some of the mainstream, paternalistic American religions have instead chosen to “partner” with the Holy Spirit blaspheming, God denying, scientific fraud based, “mental health professions” instead.

So I agree, further research into people’s “voices,” or merely movements in my case, is highly wise.

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By: No-one https://www.madinamerica.com/2024/06/hearing-voices-groups-provide-meaning-through-peer-support/#comment-283061 Wed, 12 Jun 2024 10:48:52 +0000 https://www.madinamerica.com/?p=257116#comment-283061 There are many layers of consciousness, so many layers of interpretation: the mental layer of consciousness will see the conceptual structure of the non-ordinary experiences. The feeling and heart will experience the emotional vibration behind the experience, and will have associations of all kinds with the experience. The sensations will react like the animal spirits within us always do, afraid and curious of the new, wanting to understand but also wanting to be through. We can think of them as traumatised energies of consciousness that need to be understood and healed by the brain through perception and understanding, but I want to give you a yet deeper grasp of this phenomena by describing it from the karmic and then spiritual layers of consciousness. I don’t even know this myself so will be interested in what he hands write.

The karmic level of consciousness is related to the material but is spiritual energy organised as a transpersonal structure by the process of human judgement. On the level of the individual, what happens is that we judge each other, not realizing that judgement causes a spiritual injury to the judged, but this is ‘justice’ if the judgement prevails, and ‘injustice’ if the judgement ends up being negated by the development of human understanding. Ultimately, understanding dissolves all judgement, but one has to understand within the human being that these judgements are false, non-facts, because if the human being believes them, they are subject to them.

The clearest explanation I can give, actually, is a first hand account, an example n=1, me. I was being pursecuted by coercive movements of thought and feeling that I took to be some kind of guide, and it ended up tricking and trapping. It was only through persistent observation and understanding that I uncovered what they were. It was the spiritual energies of people I knew, many of whom were living, but also ancestral pressures, and they were trying to impose their judgements on the organism and force the organism to carry out actions that conformed to the judgements they were trying to impose on me. Why did this happen? Because the march of perception and understanding was approaching the doors of the unconconscious, which is precisely those forces within us which either feel unable to sign up to the conscious program of action (such as traumatised energies), or those downright opposed to the conscious program of action, which include the forces of judgement from others (judgement sends out spiritual energy of a corresponding vibration as a communication to the other consciousness of the judgement, and that vibration and energy join and add to the ego mass which is really, believe it or not, those very unconscious, traumatised or oppositional forces within you which conceal themselves as ‘me’. I know this is a radically different understanding then the one that the ego is the social process pretending to be me, but they are both facts, not theories, just facts on different levels, the mental and the karmic. If the judgement prevails, the negative energies contrinue to harvest from the organism through punishing movements of thought and feeling, and this can go on forever. But the judgement doesn’t prevail or fail according to the truth. The truth is that all judgment is false, errored, because it is mere human judgement that dissolves when there is perception and understanding. It is a disease of the mind, from this point of view, one caused by the social and historical process, a means of the purposive mutual negation of all egos by all egos, a form of mass mutual social regulation of each other. But these energies turn obviously evil when their in crisis, such as when your perception and understanding is going to illuminate them. That is the only reason that weed can precipitate the experiences – because it makes you more aware and sensitive, and contrary to our social prejudices, it is infinitely preferable to resolve these karmic complexes (which are traumatic complexes on the social and emotional levels) then to let them continue to eat away at you, potentially for eternity. I see the crown of thorns as a metaphore for the spiritual consequences of human judgement, because it is punishing and false. Life is intrinsically innocent and good, and can only be perverted by ignorance and violence.

But if you observe and understand all the complexes, on the spiritual level you are resolving karmic complexes and therefore the energy within these systems is recycled, and the process yields spiritual understanding which means spiritual stuff going on, but the brain and organism is not the spiritual. It is something sustained by the spiritual (the Mother) and observed by awareness (the Father). So think how misguided all of psychiatry is. These secrets are and will continue to be revealed through the explosion of interest in trauma and psychadelics. When the link is made between the Shamanic non-ordinary experiences and what we call psychosis, the West might realize what an appalling mistake it has made, one that has injurred the prospects of human consciousness as a whole, and imperralled the very existence of Mother Earth. The native Americans and other natural stewards of the Earth may have been our origin, but like all origins, it is both the highest and the ultimate destination of the journey.

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